Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

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Ferrum
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Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by Ferrum » Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:36 pm

I found this thread in particular where OP claims certain activities should be shamed and stigmatized for being unhealthy even if the participants consent to engaging in said activities: https://old.reddit.com/r/changemyview/c ... be_shamed/

Yes, OP did not specifically focus on vaginal sex, but they did mention it in the post even if their focus was mainly on other kinks they claimed are unhealthy.

Those who are against vaginal sex argue the exact same things this OP does, they say "vaginal sex is unhealthy. Imagine if you're in a place where there are no condoms to reduce the risk of pregnation via vaginal sex. Vaginal sex got risk uterus damage . Vaginal sex is that dangerous, so even if two or more people consent to engaging in vaginal sex, they should be stopped from and shamed for doing so"

We can counter with "what about dangerous sports that people consent to? If you are not going to ban them then you shouldn't ban vaginal sex".

But those who are against vaginal sex can argue the following just like that OP (change OP's words in the comments and it becomes exactly what they argue):
We should definitely be open to stigmatizing an outlawing combat sports or sports that lead to excessive damage. There has been a cultural shift in the US recently of people not allowing kids to participate in sports like football and cheerleading. 2 Presidents have now said they wouldn't let kids participate in those sports. That is a cultural shift, not a legal one, and we consider it to be good. From the cultural shift, we can change laws, and then outlaw sports which are dangerous and too risky for everyone, not just kids.

Vaginal sex is riskier than anal and oral sex. It is by far the riskiest sex for pregnation. Just as things such as self-mutilation, a kink some people have which has an adverse effect on someone with their consent, are shamed and made illegal, vaginal sex should be stigmatized, shamed and made illegal.

As a society, we have stigmatized and in many cases outlawed many activities, such as "self-harm". Eventhough the individuals cutting themselves consent to the cutting we banned and stigmatized "self-harm". We banned "suicide" eventhough the individuals consent to "committing suicide". We banned self-mutilation eventhough the individuals consent to cutting their body parts. We banned the usage of many drugs eventhough the individuals doing the drugs consent to it.

We have stigmatized and banned all these things, because consent does not matter, there is no such a thing as "my body, my choice" or else "suicide", "self-mutilation", "self-harm", etc would not be illegal in most countries. One should not be allowed to do what is damaging to them even if they claim to want it and agree to it.

And since vaginal sex is unhealthy, and damaging, it should be stigmatized, shamed and made illegal.

If not completely illegal for everyone, vaginal sex should be made illegal for anyone who is under a certain age such as 18-20. Just as there are laws regulating the usage of guns, and playing certain dangerous sports are not allowed for certain ages until individuals learn to safely play the particular sports, vaginal sex should be illegal for everyone under a certain age such as 18-20 until everyone knows how to safely engage in vaginal sex.

You think this "violates freedom", but a society whose cultural ideal is simply "maximum personal freedom" is not one in which we wish to participate. That is not the society that we have EVER had, either.

A society that sees someone cutting their own hand off and says "Huh, don't care about that," is, at the very least, abnormal. I wouldn't want to live in a society with that little care for other human beings.

Of course we are advocating for telling other people what they should and should not do.

We do this all the time. We tell people not to "commit suicide", not to "self-harm", not to rape, not to steal, not to intentionally piss their pants in public.

All these things carry social stigma with them.

People ostracize those who smell bad, piss their pants, steal, etc. It's a perfectly normal human attitude to tell others what to do and what not to do. It's not a bad thing.

We make choices on a daily basis, constantly. We tell other people how they should act, constantly. It's called setting boundaries. That's what eventually turns into cultural and social norms, stigmas, and taboos. Personal opinions turn into cultural attitudes which turn into social norms. It's a long process, but that's how it happens.

And societies do not start out with maximum personal freedom. That's not a society, that's the state of nature (which never existed anyway). A society is formed when a group of people come together and decide to live together under certain cultural, legal, moral, etc. standards. Look at the founding of the U.S., for example. There were already existing cultural, societal, and legal standards before any semblance of a constitution was written.

Does anyone have any arguments against all that?

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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by AnalJay » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:14 am

My browser says the page does not exist. Has it been taken down? I'm a big fan of anal activity, fucking them, fisting them, eating them, stretching them, toning them back up (kegel),sticking things in them, kissing them, licking them, sucking them; the list goes on and i'll say again, I have never got ill from my ass or my wife's. As time goes on I am more and more convinced that the taboo on anal is Satan's background influence on society causing conflict and argument over a man made taboo. God made the ass the perfect recreational hole. Perfect for both sexes to enjoy as an alternative to the vagina, for non-reproductive pleasure. Some say contraceptives are a sin, ya, because we never needed them in the first place. However, I do enjoy the vagina and don't think it needs banning. They are beautiful things, in my opinion. They feel great and serve a purpose to create new people whilst having fun in the process. But I wouldn't have minded taking a look at the page you linked to, out of interest. Of course if your kink is to ban pussy then what do you think of DaddyD_420 and his padlocked pussy? Looks like they are having fun with that one. We have a written set of rules in which it states that sex is defined as anal sex but I am allowed a little pussy if I want it - it is an optional extra. Guess we are all a little mad here with our anal antics.

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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by SoSad » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:16 am

What are you on about? It's anal that's always claimed to be "unhealthy" in this ridiculous society. I remember a CMV post with these same claims against anal. Here you are getting your knickers in a twist that someone somewhere turned the tables on society and argued vaginal is unhealthy and should be banned and stigmatized. Yeah, no.

Vaginal should be banned and stigmatized. Anyone claiming otherwise has an agenda. You can't find arguments against this. There are none.

I'd go further and argue all "straight" acts should be stigmatized and banned. No man can be with a woman and vice versa (no vaginal, anal, oral, etc between a man and a woman, period). Thanks for coming to my TED talk, or whatever talk show this is.
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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by SoSad » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:22 am

AnalJay wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:14 am
My browser says the page does not exist. Has it been taken down? I'm a big fan of anal activity, fucking them, fisting them, eating them, stretching them, toning them back up (kegel),sticking things in them, kissing them, licking them, sucking them; the list goes on and i'll say again, I have never got ill from my ass or my wife's. As time goes on I am more and more convinced that the taboo on anal is Satan's background influence on society causing conflict and argument over a man made taboo. God made the ass the perfect recreational hole. Perfect for both sexes to enjoy as an alternative to the vagina, for non-reproductive pleasure. Some say contraceptives are a sin, ya, because we never needed them in the first place. However, I do enjoy the vagina and don't think it needs banning. They are beautiful things, in my opinion. They feel great and serve a purpose to create new people whilst having fun in the process. But I wouldn't have minded taking a look at the page you linked to, out of interest. Of course if your kink is to ban pussy then what do you think of DaddyD_420 and his padlocked pussy? Looks like they are having fun with that one. We have a written set of rules in which it states that sex is defined as anal sex but I am allowed a little pussy if I want it - it is an optional extra. Guess we are all a little mad here with our anal antics.

OP didn't link the page properly. I can't view it myself. Thank goodness for that ...

The second half of your message is ... gross ... Vaginas are not "beautiful", because they are there to "create" new people. Vaginal, any "straight" act, should be banned.

And men can not have "pussies". If DaddyD_420 is a "trans man", "trans men" are women, not men, and that's why they have "pussies". If DaddyD_420 is a man who got surgery, then the so-called "neopussy" is not a "pussy". It's an inverted penis.

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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by AnalJay » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:20 am

LOL....I said his pussy as he is a Dom, so he is dominating that pussy - it is 'his' to dominate in that life style that padlocking project they are currently engaged in. Sorry to confuse you, it is probably just an English way of wording things.

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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by SoSad » Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:14 am

AnalJay wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:20 am
LOL....I said his pussy as he is a Dom, so he is dominating that pussy - it is 'his' to dominate in that life style that padlocking project they are currently engaged in. Sorry to confuse you, it is probably just an English way of wording things.

I misunderstood you. My bad
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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by Ferrum » Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:25 am

SoSad wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:16 am
I remember a CMV post with these same claims against anal. Here you are getting your knickers in a twist that someone somewhere turned the tables on society and argued vaginal is unhealthy and should be banned and stigmatized.

Im copy that topic and replace "anal" to "vaginal". Yes, im turned tables. Its parody, for lulz. I cant believe u bought it

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Re: Does anyone have any arguments against "vaginal sex is unhealthy and should be stigmatized and made illegal"?

Post by SoSad » Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:11 pm

Ferrum wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:25 am
SoSad wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:16 am
I remember a CMV post with these same claims against anal. Here you are getting your knickers in a twist that someone somewhere turned the tables on society and argued vaginal is unhealthy and should be banned and stigmatized.

Im copy that topic and replace "anal" to "vaginal". Yes, im turned tables. Its parody, for lulz. I cant believe u bought it

Oh ... It went over my head. If you turned the tables, that was a genius move!

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