Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

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SoSad
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Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

Post by SoSad » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:00 am

There is too much stigma attached to anal sex. Even among some gay men, it is called "the most dangerous hobby". There are http://man2manalliance.org/ and http://g0ys.org/ websites promoting the idea that anal sex is not pleasurable and not worth it because it is the riskiest sexual activity and requires unnecessarily long preparation. G0ys, as they call themselves, are generally anti-anal.

Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

Gynecologist explains anal sex is "dangerous": https://www.health.com/sex/is-anal-sex-dangerous

https://www.popsugar.com/fitness/Gyneco ... x-44930814
“Let’s face it, the anus was not made for intercourse. It’s supposed to be a one-way passage,” Dr. Streicher points out. The vagina, on the other hand, “has a thick, elastic, accordion-like lining designed to stretch to accommodate a penis, or a baby.”

Rectal tissue is thinner and doesn’t share the same elasticity, so there’s a greater chance it can tear, says Dr. Streicher, who is the author of Sex Rx. And tearing increases your odds of contracting a sexually transmitted infection.

Rectal gonorrhea, anal chlamydia, and HIV are all real risks.

According to the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "anal sex is the highest-risk sexual behavior for HIV infections." But anal sex is perhaps most likely to transmit the human papillomavirus (HPV). “Very few men have HIV, but over half of men have HPV,” says Dr. Streicher. HPV can lead to anal warts and anal cancer.

Then there’s pain, bleeding, and fecal incontinence. “Poop in your pants is not a nice thing to talk about,” says Dr. Streicher.

She points to new research from a team at Northwestern University that found that women who considered anal part of their regular bedroom behavior were more likely to say it changed the consistency of their stools, and report both urinary and fecal incontinence.



Is anal sex pleasurable? Where is the evidence that anal sex is physically pleasurable? Rectum and colon have little to no nerves to sense pleasure. How can the pleasure be physical?

If the pleasure is psychological, how can it be worth it?

Why would the few minutes of pleasure be worth the long preparation and risk of diseases?

There is a risk of incontinence, fissures, loose rectum and anus, STDs, anal and rectum cancer, and other things.

I've heard anal sex strengthens rectal and anal muscles, and doesn't loosen them and lead to incontinence. Is there any evidence for that?

I don't know if there are any sources debunking these claims. If you know, please share them with me.

From man2manalliance and g0y: https://imgur.com/7B0kPqm
The anus is not designed to be invaded. It contains feces and heaps of E Coli bacteria. It’s an exit point for toxic waste, not an entry point for Willy Wiener.

Women develop urinary tract infections because their anuses are a very short distance from the opening of their urethras. E Coli does that.

The g0ys are challenging the anal ethic.

Because G0YS, -by our very nature, find the entire notion of Anal Sex in any form to be dirty, dangerous, degrading & damn-un-masculine; -By shunning casual sexual encounters & completely rejecting AnalSex, G0YS avoid the very perils that spread +98% of ALL STI's/STD's among men!

Among g0ys, STDs/STIs are virtually nonexistent compared to the STD/STI figures for the GAY-male community (which, according to the Red Cross - is +4000% higher than the general population)! So, while "GAY"-men are plagued with STDs/STIs; - G0YS are NOT!

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The erotic pleasure in anal penetration is so minimal, and, when joined with promiscuity, the dangers anal presents to its practitioners and the community so great, that it's difficult to conceive of a practice more ruinous or less enjoyable taking center place in a sexual subculture.

These dangers, of which HIV/AIDS is the best known, but which include hepatitis B and C, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, the human papilloma virus, herpes, and a host of other pathogens, will persist even after AIDS has been cured or can be prevented through vaccination.

And more anally-transmitted diseases most certainly await discovery.

For anal penetration is an exceptionally efficient mode of disease transmission, and we can be sure that pathogens will continue to find an infective niche in anal.

In addition, no magic or wishful thinking can transform either the anus or the rectum into genital organs, nor can the feelings experienced by someone being penetrated anally be compared to those of genital stimulation.

Further, anal penetration subjugates one of the participants to the other, effectively emasculating him, turning him into a pseudo-woman, a proxy in a heterosexualized form of contact. This is an inherently unequal act, epitomized by its tedious terminology of "tops" and "bottoms," which is unmindful of the basic human need for a shared experience without pain and with dignity.

Whereas Frot, phallus-against-phallus contact, is the acme of sexual activity between Men because it's focused on that which makes Men Masculine, namely their genitals -- their Manhood -- rather than their organs of fecal excretion.

To draw a parallel with man-woman sex: Men and Women connect to one another genitally. They are made that way, like counterweights or puzzle pieces, complementary of one another. In the same way, during phallus-to-phallus sexual activity, Men are related to one another as they should be, in that part of their body that fits together genitally and sensually.

For a Man and a Woman sex is a naturally penetrative act. For two Men the natural experience is that which stimulates both of them phallically -- not anally.

Neither the anus nor the rectum are genitalia, period.

This continuing denigration of healthy, loving, and innately Masculine sexual intimacy is a result of ignorance and prejudice, and the Men of the Alliance are committed to exposing and defeating both.

I sense misogyny when they claim a man who "bottoms" in anal sex becomes less of a man, a "pseudo-woman", and that anal penetration is inherently unequal making the "bottom" less than, and degrading, humiliating and demeaning the "bottom".

And there's a subreddit dedicated to these people who are against anal sex: https://old.reddit.com/r/g0ys/comments/ ... y/fdga0ad/
You're right that nothing is truly harmless. Even frot and mutual masturbation has theoretical risks.

However, I call them harmless because that risk is low enough to be negligible.

As such, there's no anal activity that comes close to frot, mutual masturbation, and other like acts in being low-risk. Yes, there are certain anal acts that pose relatively less risk compared with other anal acts. Having said that, in the big picture, any kind of anal play is high-risk. They might vary slightly in intensity of their risk, but they are all objectively high risk.

> > "Fecal matter is almost omnipresent in human spaces."

That’s true. However, the concentration of that matter is different. The concentration and number of fecal bacteria on a table or door handle will always be lower than the bacteria’s source (the anus).

Doing anal play safely takes lots of preparation and precaution. It takes far more effort than vaginal sex, and certainly much more than frot.

If it takes so much energy to make safe, when does the precaution needed become absurd? When exactly does the preparation needed become too ridiculous to be practical?

Most importantly, if that preparation is too extensive to make sense, is the act worth doing to begin with

https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/com ... &context=3
http://man2manalliance.org/crw/frot/not.html

https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns#1

https://www.healthline.com/health/healt ... e-safe-sex

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/lif ... 743519.cms

WebMD and Healthline are written by health professionals, the Times of India is a respected newspaper, and the M2M Alliance page is extensively sourced.

> > "Any sex without proper preparation can be risky, btw."

What sex act requires extensive protection from physical injury like anal sex?

And what I specifically mean by dysfunctional: it causes physical injury every time, carries an extremely high risk for STDs unmatched by other acts, and yet is constantly promoted as valid.

Is sex supposed to be so risky? When does the risk become absurd?

Even "gay" doctors (as mentioned in the M2M Alliance article) say that there's no physiological basis for anal orgasm.

From the M2M Alliance link, as it quotes a "gay" doctor: "Most of the nerve endings that sense pleasure are at the outside of your anus or within the first two inches. The rest of your rectum and colon do not have nerves that sense pleasure. While many will disagree with me, there is no physiological basis for most of the pleasure you derive higher up in your colon. There is definitely a psychological pleasure."

Even "gay" doctors claim anal sex is not physically pleasurable because rectum and colon do not have nerves ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/com ... &context=3
Don't hierarchies of risks exist? In that case, how high does anal rank in that hierarchy? Which level should be marked as unacceptable risk

https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/com ... &context=3
Anal is gross. You always make contact with fecal matter during anal, even if it's trace amounts. Do you dispute that

https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/com ... &context=3
You can believe whatever you want. You can believe the Earth is flat, the sky is purple, and that you can grow 50 fingers. But is it based on fact?

In this link, feces is considered a biohazard, which means it can be dangerous to your health.

https://www.aftermath.com/content/which ... iohazards/


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Re: Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

Post by SoSad » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:24 am

Anyone?

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Re: Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

Post by SoSad » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:45 am

*Waits for these claims to be debunked*

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Re: Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

Post by clouds » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:15 am

Hi SoSad. Could you maybe explain what you're goal is here? Are you interested/practicing in anal yourself and have questions? Do you just want a discussion with different views/opinions? Do you want to provoke (which totally fine :) )?

I'm not a scientist, but I'm an anal enthusiast both as a giver and receiver and had an inclination towards anal since I was a child (I'm mostly straight, would describe myself as 80%straight/20%gay - I would be fine if my female partner would want a FMM threesome but I would not seek out a man on my own). Don't know why (I have theories), my fascination has always been there even before I watched my first porn.

My thoughts on some of the claims:
"Neither the anus nor the rectum are genitalia, period."
--> The Doctors you're quoting seem to focus a lot on reproduction and disease (which makes sense, they are Doctors...). And that statement is absolutely true (genital=organ that is used for reproduction). But I would argue that most people in this forum and many people out there in the world, especially the western world, where we are very aware of overpopulation, are not interested in reproduction when it comes to sex. Sex is about sharing intimacy, exploring your desires, rewarding yourself with good feelings etc. Many people practice anal sex specifically because the anus is not genitalia (to prevent pregnancy)!

"And tearing increases your odds of contracting a sexually transmitted infection."
-->True, having sex has health risks. For me, these types of arguments never work to make me less interested in a specific sexual act, they only work as an argument to not have sex with people you don't know. I live together with my partner, we cook together, we use the same bathroom, we sleep in the same bed, we kiss, have sex etc. I'm sure if she gets covid I'll get covid :D My point is: The risk comes from going out and just doing anything with anybody. So yeah, if you have unprotected anal sex with somebody who has HIV, you have a high risk getting it too. But I'd suggest, instead of saying anal sex is the issue, don't have unprotected sex with people who might have STDs, period.

"The erotic pleasure in anal penetration is so minimal"
-->True, some people don't experience pleasure from anal stimulation. Some take no pleasure from vaginal penetrations. Others are paralyzed from their neck down and experience orgasms from stimulation of their earlobes. Others experience intense pleasure and even have orgasms from just thinking things! And then there are even people who don't enjoy sex at all and never have an orgasm in their life. It baffles me how someone can make such a blanket statement... I personally had penile orgasms where I basically didn't feel anything and I just apathetically ejaculated without even really noticing. And I had situations where I was half passed out, shaking and moaning from pleasure after having three orgasms in a row, just from my ass without even touching my "genitals". My point is: People are different and our brains are very adaptable. Some never thought about anal their whole life and have crazy anal orgasms the first time they try it. Others learn to love it over time, others just hate it and never do it.

"Let’s face it, the anus was not made for intercourse. It’s supposed to be a one-way passage"
-->Again, our bodies are adaptable and can be used in many unexpected ways. Easiest example: The mouth is designed to test food quality, and crush it to let it enter the digestive tract. It can also be used as a wonderful tool to experience or give sexual pleasure. Also, a lot of women experience discomfort or even pain when their vagina is penetrated for the first time, an organ made specifically for penetration and childbirth. For some people it takes time to get used to having their anus touched and penetrated, but it's really not that hard to learn how to have a multi-functional ass that pushes things out, accepts objects from outside and experiences pleasure.

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Re: Can you debunk these anti-anal claims?

Post by FarmerDan » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:14 pm

It's clear @SoSad that you haven't bothered reading any of the other posts around here or the many other places where people post thoughts and experiences of anal sex.
That makes you a troll. Go away.
It's a lifestyle folks not a 2 minute sprint

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